war ii experience. and it is a searing truth. literally. each word literally. it literally is exactly where we are today. and it's not about trump. trump can make the pitch. you decide to buy. >> it's a whole different era, a whole different caliber of person who when your dad was in the political arena. i mean, those guys. we talked about great speeches, right? and i'm not talking about people's politics. your dad's speech, jesse jackson's speech at the convention. people who were just amazing orators. and also, you know, actually cared about people and the process more than they cared about politics and winning. >> well, look, one thing that is different, i think it's fair to say, politicians have always had their blemishes. okay? >> absolutely. >> and the process has always been ugly. negativity has always been a proxy for insight and has driven people to the polls. however, what has changed is you knew where men and women stood. you knew what they were about. they'd win, they'd lose, they'd compromise or not.