of normalizing what is not normal. >> that's like your question to frank about saying the bomb, the blood of these people is a political problem, that is a grow decemb grotesque sentiment. there are a weariness that sets in that, you're right, we need to not grade on a curve. >> i think he counts on the fact that if he keeps doing this over and over again, if he normalizes it, people will just become numb to it. they will tune it out. there are many people watching us right now and keep up on the news and who hear this over and over again and get energized and exercised about it. there are other americans to whom this has become white noise. this is the new norm. that's exactly what donald trump has counted on for day one. if he sticks with this, if he's remorseless, then it will become something people treat as unexceptional and move on and be numb to.