the indictments that bob mueller has brought, and i think it's more than two dozen russians and three russian companies, which he -- and we all read those indictments chapter and verse, very, very detailed. it doesn't sound crazy to me. it sounds very serious to me. and i think maybe he was speaking theoretically as somebody who was clearly pro-trump. but, you know, you have 17 intelligence agencies, you now have these indictments coming down from mueller. it seems to me there's a little bit more there than crazy. >> it sounds like david swerdlick, that whitaker when he was a private citizen before he joined the justice department, he was sounding very much the way president trump sounds ability this whole thing being a witch hunt or a hoax. >> right, of course and as a private citizen and even now he has the right to have his own opinions and he should have his own opinions. the question, though, as i think