saying there is no ulterior motive, no hidden agenda behind this policy. and, of course, there is a trade war. both countries have put tariffs on hundreds of billions of dollars worth of each other's goods, and there is the threat that that number could increase dramatically in january coming from the u.s. there is a possible way out, george, and that is that president trump and xi jinping are due to meet each other face to face in argentina at the g20 meeting. we'll be watching. george? >> listening to those two sound bites, ivan, back to back, you do hear competition, in fact, a message trying to sway a nation's one way or the other. >> reporter: that's right. and they are competing for the favor of countries like papua new guinea, small pacific island countries that have in recent years received a lot of chinese investment assistance.
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