democrats chanting lock her up. the president was aware of the sensitivity of this and you think it may have been communicated to his senior staff which she is a member. >> it is tough to acknowledge she did not know the rules given the chant and continued as recently as october. >> either she didn't know the rules -- she knew the rules and skirted them or incompetent. you can't have it both ways. take your pick. the fact if it is true the e-mails were given to the government, the government has possession of them. no records laws skirted or secrets kept. you can say nothing was actually deleted or lost. you can also say, again, we're in the fruit basket here, one is worse than the other. the criticism is fair. the points you are raising is fair considering what republicans had to say about hillary clinton's e-mail problem. the question might be what will the new house democratic