congress and he was negotiating with seder about traveling to moscow, he was talking with him in the lobby of the trump tower hotel according to the information in may of 2016 and june of 2016 to try to get this trip over the ground that is right before the convention, and their discussing conversations that they're having with the russian government -- at least in january. seder has been cooperating with the special counsel's investigation. he has said that he's turned over every text and email and he's a longtime government cooperator. he was charged in the late 1990s in a stock manipulation scheme and has been a government cooperator for decades since then, poppy. >> all right. so, felix seder not a house hold name but significant given his cooperation here and the naming individual two in this information. "the new york times" as you'll remember not long ago reported that a series of emails from felix seder to michael cohen and let me quote from one of those