that's what happened. the prosecutor, special counsel, has sent a letter to the judge, indicated when there's sentencing that they're going to weigh in and suggest there be a reduction in sentence for his cooperation. so, that was purely on spec. he didn't have that going in before he started talking, so he obviously gave them good information and they believed it, and it's corroborated and so michael's taking a chance and it worked out. >> and that's the crucial part. corroborated, harry. it isn't just, oh, he said it and it sounds good. the president's saying he's making it up. i think is it fair to say at this point given this nine-page court document that they know that it is not made up, that they have corroborated it independently, it isn't just one person's word versus another's. >> that's right. and prosecutors of this caliber would be looking for corroboration of a number of kinds, so you'd be looking for documents. you would be looking for recorded phone calls. there's one alleged in the