when i was a senior fbi officer, at the same time, we were having conversations about counter terrorism policy, i said, i'm sorry, those conversations didn't violate the law, but they look horrible in the face of the washington post, and cnn and the new york times, i'm sorry, but they were ethically inappropriate, but they didn't violate the law, and i'm supposed to say that's great? i'm sorry, chris, the question isn't solely whether the law was violated. the question in mid-2016, mr. president, is it appropriate to have business conversations with the russians at the same time you're determining what your policy is on sanctions with them? >> and he lies and spins it away. >> no, no. >> and there's no criminal charge, and nothing i've seen where republicans in the senate are going to go along with any impeachment movement. even nancy pelosi was throwing water during the campaign and the midterms on impeachment.