that this really be done to honor, to celebrate, and to remember both the man and the politician. >> you can have a disagreement about the politics of whether it's governor bush or george bush, who was governor and then president. that's a fair debate. but in terms of the dignity of the people, they're incredibly well raised. if you interact with any of the bush children, and that is a credit to president george h.w. bush and to barbara bush, just incredibly polite, gracious children who drop notes, who make the right phone calls, who remember the birthdays, who check in on people. when they're up and when they're down, and that to them, to jamie's point about wanting to do this right, the reverence in which, in my experience, george w. bush and jeb bush, the two i know fairly well -- you see george and laura bush there coming down the stairs. >> so those are the bakers, actually. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> i think that's secretary of state james baker and his wife,