interfere with what the sitting president would do. again, the logan act has never been prosecute and it's unlikely you would get the case, but that is what alarmed people at the justice department. that's what sally yates was most concerned about when she talked about the potential logan act matter. even more than the context with disli actio kislyak. >> that's to prevent a private foreign policy and you have obama sanctioning, and dealing by the trump campaign to lift those sanctions with the ambassador. that has to stop. >> i agree, but we don't know what exactly was in the conversation. we know from the plea there were phone calls made by trump transition members to un ambassadors trying to get in. >> that's why i highlight individuals within the campaign and the transition team.