special counsel. this was crazy what was going on in the -- it was insane. the president of the united states is asking the fbi director for loyalty. he's chewing people out of the room, so he can ask the fbi director to go easy on his national security adviser? this stuff doesn't happen in ordinary administrations. i mean, even richard nixon didn't do stuff this crazy. and we have john dean here to prove it. >> i'm going to agree with my counsel, jeffrey toobin, okay? because this is not normal times. these people are saying, wait a minute, we have to open an obstruction of justice investigation into the sitting president of the united states? i mean, you don't think that causes a little bit of consternation behind closed doors? of course it does. >> michael zeldin, does it? >> well, i'm not suggesting that