basically distancing themselves from the manafort revelations we're learning about the communications he had. it didn't name who it was. it raises questions of who was manafort talking to? who was the senior administration official and what were they talking about? why did manafort lie about these communications? >> all right. appreciate that. there is a lot to digest here. we want to delve deeper into it. we have our own legal political and reporting team tonight. jennifer rogers teaches law at columbia university. i'm not sure where to again. the cohen matters, what are your big take aways from what was discovered today on cohen? >> there's too many to talk a bt about in a period of time. the distinction between the people in my former office in the southern district had towards michael cohen, his veracity, helpfulness and that of mueller. >> mueller thought he had more veracity.