bus for the schemes and what happened. when you turn to the special counsel and their reckoning with flynn, it was, we like this guy. he's been really good. we don't think he should go to jail. they said that in different ways. with him they say no position. the only nice thing they say is he's been helpful to us and whatever sentence he gets should run concurrent with sentences for other ones which would amount to no additional jail time. but certainly he's got his problems. when you look at it in terms of what it means to trump, what it means to the president, what it means to the around him, i didn't know before -- maybe you guys did -- but i didn't know that michael cohen had contacts with people in the campaign about what he was doing to help pay off these women. i didn't know that. i thought it was a side dish. and i had never heard that there was someone who came to him who said, hey, you got to help me get in the campaign. i have great contacts. i can help with putin. this is somebody else. >> yeah. that's exactly right.