this isn't an ideological question. it's sort of like you go into the center for control and -- >> the election happened and then we just sat around waiting and we heard nothing from the trump administration. >> from the other side of things the obama administration had prepared what amounted to the best course ever prepared how the federal government works because they had been encouraged to do such a thing. and so places like the energy department, which is the department of nuclear weapons, where loose nuclear material is cleaned up, it's a mission critical kind of thing, expected the next day dozens of people would come in to start to learn what therapy managing. they had set aside the parking spots and conference rooms and they wait and wait and no one shows up the next day or next week or next month. it was -- so my interest in this was like what don't they know
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