if the expenditure can be reasonably be made irrespective of the campaign, and there's a lot of reasons why you would want these women to keep these stories private. there are many, many reasons outside of politics you would do that, and the fec is clear it's not a campaign contribution. >> it's just an incredible coincidence the money happened to change hands just on the eve of the election? >> no. listen, that's a good point, but that part is not coincidental because the reason there was an impetus for them to come forward was the fact that donald trump was achieving fame even though he was already a famous person. he was achieving fame like he had never seen once he became the republican nominee. so that encouraged them to come out, but that doesn't mean there weren't several reasons why, personal life, business life, politics, you would want this to stay confidential and that