don't want to give it too much of an audience, although they already have a huge audience within fox. but we've got to call it out. i don't care what advertisers do. but the idea of saying that we are forced, they're forcing us to take in these people, who's "they"? who's us? that's what we need to call out because it needs to stop. but i'll be back with you at the top of the hour. >> i know you got to go but you won't believe the conversation i just had with van jones. we're going to be talking about criminal justice and also cory booker is on. >> you know what? it's so sad that the president didn't jump on his own success. van jones, others very involved with the first step act, criminal justice reform passed tonight on our watch. >> okay. >> the president could have been talking about that, but he wasn't. >> i'm just told cory is not available. another night, but van jones will be here in minutes. we'll see you. >> see ya. all right. lists, that's what you do about holiday shopping season, right? everybody is making lists right now. who do you have to get what for? that's not the list i'm making. i have one index that stands out