he sent mike pence and mick mulvaney on capitol hill to continue with negotiations but both sides appear to be very entrenched. >> let's go to political, phil. we heard the vice president is where you are on capitol hill. meeting with the senate minority leader, perhaps. what is the expectation here that the two of them can break this log jam, and get the government fully started again? >> to be bluntd, the expectations are very low. going into that meeting and it is happening right now, vice president mike pence, incoming chief of staff mick mulvaney are currently meeting with the senate democratic leader chuck schumer. in advance of that meeting, a schumer aide told me that they expect a readout from that white house lunch that the president had with his conservative allies and that schumer plans to reiterate that any proposal that includes any money for funding a border wall cannot pass the senate, because of democratic opposition. basically, underscoring that both parties are currently still very much entrenched in their initial positions. i talked to senator richard shellby at that lunch meeting, the chairman of the powerful senate appropriations committee, and he was also blunt about the