loyal to america and not be secretly trying to help foreign governments, people close to foreign governments. we now have the campaign chairman at one point was offering help to people tied to the kremlin. and let's not forget that mike flynn, who went on to be national security adviser, was secretly working for turkey, lobbying for turkey while advising the trump campaign. i mean, how much of this are we going to see? >> it's important to point out there are pictures of deripaska and russian president vladimir putin together. doesn't this make it plausible that putin would have been aware of the fact that deripaska would have had this kind of leverage over president trump's campaign manager? >> definitely possible. look, i don't like the term "collusion," it's fuzzy, what exactly does it mean. but this seems pretty close to collusion. a guy becomes campaign chairman, he's got a lot of money in debt to a russian oligarch, a guy tight with vladimir putin, and he says to the oligarch, let me give you briefings, let me help