employees, he is essentially their boss. ultimately they all work for the american people, but he is their direct boss. so when he lets the shutdown go on, when democrats let the shutdown go on, people go past one or two checks if we get to that point, most americans don't have unlimited savings to dip in into, so yes, if you need a home loan, pay rent, pay for basic necessities of life, this will effect those people. it is also going to effect all americans that rely on government services as you just reported, whether you need a tax refund or home loan or want to go to the national park for a family vacation. >> this is his attempt at compassion perhaps. listen to his advice to federal workers struggling to pay rent. >> would you ask those companies or landlords to go easy on you? >> i think they will. i think that happens. you know, hey, i have been a landlord a long time, been in the real estate business a long time.