existence. >> i think the cuomos are as well. i think the president -- i think this issue on the border wall and security should be dealt with in the larger comprehensive immigration bill, which the democrats say they want. the president got criminal justice reform, bipartisan bill. he brought the democrats together with the republicans. >> that was easy compared to this. i give him credit for that. i'm not taking anything away from him but it's not this. >> we have not had criminal justice reform since the 1990s. >> that's a fair point. i take nothing away from it. i'm saying it was an easiest lift than this. with this shutdown, i don't understand why make americans pay for the price of not being able to negotiate. >> look, when you introduced the segment before i came on, you said that right-wing wackos the president was appealing to. you know, if you're looking at the polling data, americans want border security. the recent dpgallup -- >> i'm not talking about border security, i'm talking about him indulging this bigoted, anti-immigrant, far, far right