upon them for our democracy. >> and tom, this is based on mostly very public behavior by the president. this wasn't, or i guess what is cited in "the new york times" piece, were not things that were just kind of clandestine operations or alleged clandestine operations, but this is out in the public, nearly self-inflicted, that the president's behavior or actions would precipitate from the nbc interview, saying, fire him because of the russia thing, to being on the campaign trail, and saying russia, you know, if you're listening, you know, hack these emails. shouldn't those things be alarming? >> fred, i will go to that e-mail question first. when trump said that during the debates, hillary clinton's server had been closed since she was secretary of state. there was no request for the russians to hack into a system which no longer existed. it was a request that russia, if you have her 30,000 e-mail, turn them over. you will recall that comey,