>> but it doesn't point to collusion. >> i take you point on that. but i'm saying who knew that paul manafort was giving this guy poll data and meeting with other guys about russia policy. who knew about the party platform change during the convention? >> i have to stop you there. paul manafort and providing information, he may have done that. indications are that they were. i don't know you can argue it's a crime. but the people have said because it's untrue to make the claim that the republican platform was changed to protect or to benefit russians, it's just not true. and when you go back and you review the process, it's clear that it's not true and it leads you to this question and this is the bottom line what has this president done that makes you think he's trying to benefit or protect russia. he's the first president that went to nato and said you have to be stronger. you have to pay your dues.