out to dinner with someone, you know, going to the park. >> spending time. >> going for a run, working out, any sort of -- having a coff co volunteering with that person, any sort of little thing. otherwise, the empathy means nothing because it's all here. it doesn't mean anything. it's just in your head. oh, my god, i feel so sorry, or i just can't imagine those women and the me too movement. it's just so terrible. well, spend some time with women who have been affected by it or just women in general, listening to what they have to say. stop man-splaining so much. spend some time with your muslim brothers and sisters who feel they're being targeted by this administration, that their misunderstood. that is where the real difference comes from, not from donald trump standing there going, oh, my gosh, i condemn this. he should do that, but it's not going to happen. >> i think that it all matters. i think there's no replacement for intimacy and experience. obviously if you're with someone and you're close to somebody,