the metaphor of the wall has become a manacle for him, shackled him into negotiations. the question is can he change that definition. >> can i ask you a question because you're a strategist, we're coming up on a month, whose shoes would you rather be in, the democrats or the president's? >> oh, man. oh, democrats' shoes are looking really good right now. the public blames the president for this and really doesn't blame republicans. the vast majority blame the president and ironically the president said he wanted to own the shutdown. now he owns it and in a weird trumpian way i think he wanted to go for the record of a shutdo shutdown. now he's got it. i think what's going to happen is that the very real-life consequences, i mean, we've seen people without paychecks and all that happening, but i think there's going to be like a hockey stick on the consequences on this, a lot of which we can't undo or can't undo very quickly, and that's when the real drama is going to happen and the real impact is going to happen. and i think it's going to be