is there a method to the madness or is it just chaos? >> there are times when rudy plays attack dog and speaks to public opinion as opposed to law. he's gotten ahead in the chaos, certainly in the mold of his new boss. this does seem to be a disassembling story over the last 72 hours when he's trying to clean up statements he's made that went too far. he's being very loose-lipped for a former prosecutor who is very precise in his language historically, and is a mayor who, while he knows how to play with the crowds, wouldn't use this language that could be harmful to his client, in this case the president. >> tell us about that as you reflect back on the person you worked for, and does it fit with the person you see now on television? >> i was very proud to work for rudy giuliani. i was his chief speechwriter in my 20s while he was mayor of new