so there were no tapes you listened to, though? no tapes. well, i have listened to tapes but none of them concern this." so, right, look at the text. it's still confusing there. was that an innocent slip of the tongue, you think, or is it possible there are actually tapes? >> i think there are tapes but they're related do something else. now, we heard one tape already. i think did chris cuomo, was he the one who broke that, i think? >> right, where they were talking. right. >> yeah, there may be more. who the hell knows. maybe cohen was taping trump while trump was president. i wouldn't put anything past cohen. i would just say this is an example what i was talking about. i agree with juliette there's some strategy of distraction, sometimes giuliani free pairs, t tries to prepare the base for what's to come. that sort of thing. we're down to he did collude, but it wasn't conspiracy to hack or whatever the latest line is but i will just say some of this stuff is such a bizarre screwup,