he disputes that the president gave that quote. he said he was speaking hypothetically, that's not what he meant. he says he doesn't -- didn't mean in any of these interviews whether on sunday with jake or subsequently trying to explain it, he didn't mean to say anything different than he said a month or two ago, which is that the president doesn't remember exactly when he stopped talking about the trump tower moscow project with michael cohen. he thought it was the beginning of 2016, but they left wiggle room because he just doesn't remember. >> all right, dana bash, thank you. a lot to get to tonight with chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin, "usa today" columnist kirsten powers, and former rnc chief of staff mike shields. so jeff, i mean, rudy giuliani says he's not lying for the president. but something's going on. >> something is going on. i think the core issue with giuliani now is that the president has locked himself in with these answers to mueller, these written answers.