pardon, but i think given the fact that he made so much money, he's in a somewhat separate category, but the others who are just, and i use that word advisedly, just accused of false statements, i think they all think that the president is going to cut them loose at some point. >> gloria, what are you hearing? >> well, look, the worst thing that could possibly happen to roger stone is if the judge imposed some kind of gag order on him, because he wants to talk about this case. he wants to talk about how he has been maligned and how he will defend the president until the very end, and it's very clear that he does want a pardon, although he says he'll clear himself, but roger stone has never met bad publicity. he says that himself. he's raising money off of his trial. today, it popped into my inbox, you know, fund-raising gimmick