going on? roger, again, of course denies it, just to be clear. but is it possible if something is going on that the president didn't know about it? it is. it's harder to see the president not asking anyone to inquire about what wikileaks might have. that is, you know, that is, i think, harder than i -- i could see a world where he didn't discuss it personally with roger, but it's harder to see a world -- it doesn't mean it didn't happen, but that's a more plausible scenario where he asks an aid to go check in with roger. >> as we learned today with what he said about the intel chiefs, you can never underestimate this president's ability to abuse the truth because it works for him, he thinks, in the moment. let me ask you about something else here. i'm reading the piece. written nice and tight. gets everything out there. thank you very much. i lost massive amounts of money doing this job, the president said. this is not the money. this is one of the great losers of all time. you know, fortunately i don't need money.