p 7:30, over at 8:00 and there you quo goh. his schedules and meetings started about 8:00 in the morning. intelligence briefings and other things that are part and parcel to a president's schedule. it was very punk yul. nothing was ever late. often ended early. we were all on our toes. that's just the way it was. his father was the same way. >> so when you now see this axios reporting and these leaked schedules indicating 60% of executive time, what does that tell you? >> well, what should that should tell us is that he has a more unstructured style and he's brought his style of managing from his private sector world to the white house. i think there's some maturing that goes with any presidency. certainly bill clinton was like that way, too, in the beginning, was very chaotic. people that worked there would tell you that. things started late. weren't on time. people were left waiting.