russia by saying russia violated the inf. >> right. >> therefore, we are pulling out. significant to you? >> it was significant that he made the statement clearly that he justified pulling out of the inf because of that. there was a disturbing little one sentence there that really bothered me though. he said something about -- to the effect if other people are building missiles and bombs, we are going to outspend them. >> an arms race. >> it sounded -- in my notes i said, arms race. >> let's talk about 2020. yes, you are an independent. you caucus with democrats. it is a crowded field already. >> crowded? >> we know amy klobuchar will make a decision on 2020 this sunday. some see her as more centrist than a lot who have jumped insofar. which direction do you believe the democratic party needs to go in to defeat president trump? >> you're asking the wrong -- >> i'm asking the independent. >> that's their business, come on. >> how to attract independents.