security is is, obviously, under contention. i do know this. we should never give any administration any money until it tells us precisely where it intends to use that money, for what purpose, why it's effective, why it's efficient at that particular place and how are they going to build it? what's it going to cost? those key element elements ought to be in any bill, whatever the money might be. we'll get apast those issues. we really should. we must. this nation does not need, and there's not a politician in washington that can withstand another 35-day shutdown or even a one-day shutdown. >> when it comes to the wall specifically, president trump's acting chief of staff mick mu mulvaney said if there's a deal but it doesn't have the funds that he is asking for he will get it without congress. listen. >> you cannot take a shutdown off the table and you cannot