probably follow him more than they would those talk radio hosts. he, for some reason, the president is so gun-shy when it comes to certain shrill voices. he feels he has to pander to them. he really doesn't need to. >> it is wise the president is pointing to the larger number, the $23 billion overall and it's a rise over what was spent last year. >> right. it also kind of goes against the conservative talking point that the democrats don't care about border security, right? the president is right, there is quite a bit of money in this for border security. and so i think the democrats were interested in striking a deal where they felt the money was going to be well spent where the problems actually are, and the problems actually aren't going to be solved by a wall. that's the problem. the problems are more at the ports of entry and so i think that's where the money is rightly being focused and he's been given some money for not a huge big, beautiful wall but for some fencing. and i think that's reasonable. he can go out and say whatever he wants. the fact of the matter is he had