a lot of emphasis, and this is public, nothing confidential, the judge, we placed a lot of emphasis on her point that whatever the statements are, they can't substantially prejudice the case. so it is interesting that in some ways, it looks like she has thought more carefully since then, only stopping him from talking on the steps of the courthouse. but that language is still there. so if i were roger, if i were roger's lawyer, i would be counseling him to be careful on the talk show circuit. >> i also wonder, josh, because she wasn't part of the campaign as far as my recollection, so would her part of the mueller investigation pertain to obstruction of justice? >> well, possibly. and i think that she was involved at that time. and then if you look at the full spectrum, talking about sarah sanders, of her role in the trump world, not only then when he was running for office but then afterwards, a large part of this investigation, at least according to the reporting, what we suspect is the obstruction piece. so whenever the president fired