he's concerned about michael cohen's credibility. but if michael cohen gives specific examples, isn't the evidence there? >> oh, yeah. i mean, the first thing that -- >> so how would he not be credible? if he said this happened on this day and we did that and blah, blah, blah, then you go back and look at the record and it, indeed, happened, how is it not credible? >> that's what prosecutors do, they don't just take the person's word for it. they get other corroborating evidence for it. e-mal hi e-mails, texts, recordings, all things that can corroborate him. they got that sort of evidence against cohen and now they'll use cohen to add evidence against other people, i think. we'll have to wait and see. >> this is going to be explosive. >> this was the thing the president was complaining about, that they broke into his office. well, they didn't break into his office, they locked up the