the travelness uthfulness of th who's an admitted liar? what we saw playing out was something you see all the time playing out where trials with witnesses testify. typically what they say is the cooperate toy gave y cooperator gave you everything he knows whether it was good for the defendant or bad for the defendant, take it all, some's good, some's bad that's how reality works. and what defense lawyers say is here's who you do. if it was good for my guy then it's true. if it's bad for my guy reject it as a lie. i was happy to let that go to a jury and say use your common sense, which one makes more sense. >> thank you all very much to help us getly to a riveting hearing. there was also this heated conversation between congresswoman rashida tlaib and mark meadows. and so she -- i mean, it all got very emotional, to be honest. at some points there was some crying. so we're going to ask her about all of that next. i'm a little bit country.