public. i mean nixon tried this. it didn't work out so well for him. and i suspect the supreme court result would have the same result as they did back in 1974. ultimately, the genius of our system transparency and checks and balances, and hiding information about presidential wrongdoing, it's not going to work. >> you said it would be the end of the administration. when i ask you what do you mean by that, because during his confirmation hearing, william brrr said of the report that his, quote, goal will be to provide as much transparency as i can consistent with the law. based on what pamela and evan are reporting, does it sound like b.a.r.t intends to live up to that goal? >> well, i sure hope and i didn't take their reports to be sourced to barr or something like that. i think barr sounded a note of disclosure in his confirmation hearing. i'm sure the trump administration white house officials would like to take some of that back. but that is what barr said. and when you read that language,