>> take a listen to this one key line from cohen's public testimony on wednesday. >> the questions have been raised about whether i know of direct evidence that mr. trump or his campaign colluded with russia. i do not. >> that potentially seems like a big blow to those who are investigating and even hoping to find evidence of conspiracy between the trump team and the russian government. >> well, jake, there's lots of evidence. the question is, what kind of conclusion we're going to reach. the three pieces of evidence that came out of cohen's testimony, and let me be first to acknowledge, mr. cohen doesn't have a great record of veracity. matter of fact, he is going to jail, partially because of lies he made to the senate intelligence committee, although the president doesn't have a good record is telling the truth as well. but the three facts that i thought were new to the investigation, one, the fact that, and i believe there's