we use that as a recruiting device here at the university of chicago business school. we say, this guy went to wharton, and we play those lines. so the fact that he proposed policies that we said at the time on this very program -- he says he's going to get rid of the trade deficit by having a massive tax cut, and by putting in these tariffs on china. that's confused, it's wrong, it's actually going to increase the trade deficit and it's going to increase the budget deficit. and it did both of those things. so this is exactly what you would have thought would happen. and they can't understand what's going on. >> and steve, okay, so could i just say -- about the trade deficit -- >> one thing. >> quickly. so trade deficit and then budget deficit. those numbers were no good. and then there is the national debt, which has gone up by more than $2 trillion since the president took office. i have young children. i try to explain big numbers.