who may or may not have helped russia. the second basket is obstruction of justice. efforts by people to obstruct the investigation of russian intervention. the third basket are these campaign finance violations, the hush money to stormy daniels. and the fourth basket is the abuse of power basket where the president may have misused his power. an example is what jane mayer has reported on with regard to the antitrust investigation regarding actually time warner and this network. those are four different baskets. if these do not lead to a premature end to the trump administration, then it doesn't surpass watergate. >> michael, i know clear qulir deep skepticism about any conspiracy with russia. i'm wondering what you make of this idea. do you agree it's just, a, too soon to know? and where are you on this? >> i agree i think literally the jury's out on this. right? it's not over yet. in watergate, if you look at -- most of the attorneys i talk