information at this point. as far as we know, they are just characterizing this as losing contact. they are not saying there was a distress call made. if that is the case, what does that tell you? i mean you know about these things. >> it tells a lot. first of all, it tells me it's too soon after the incident to know those details. that sort of -- those sort of details would only come out in the next three or four or five hours that we would get details of any distress calls. but if you look at the profile of the flight, it is a sharpish takeoff. the plane doesn't particularly pick up that much speed and it suddenly falls from the sky. now, we cannot say at this point what did or did not or might or might not, but it is legitimate, i think, and having covered this these sort of incidents for a very long time, it is legitimate to point out that two brand-new