his staff a little bit in front of a couple lawmakers. is this setting up a clear fight that doesn't necessarily have an end game given the stakes we're facing in september? >> i think that's right. inc. the president kno-- i thin the president needs to show his base something he has not accomplished. this is the central piece of his campaign. he needs to show them he's doing something. he doesn't know, the congress doesn't know, the democrats know they're not giving him anything for this. in his budget document, the president campaigned on a limited national debt. that is such an insane proposal, to eliminate $20 billion -- $20 trillion national debt and climbing. this is nothing to even get rid of the annual deficit. he said he would get rid of the annual deficit over the next eight years. it creates a lot of aspirational