bring those two ecosystems together and build world class companies, invest in world class capabilities to fight disinformation in ukraine. this is already happening with cybersecurity. all of us rely on top world class talent for dealing with hacking and traditional cybersecurity issues in ukraine because they're the best in the world. the same, too, can be true for disinformation. >> is the trump administration sort of attentive enough to how maligned russia is? let me ask you, does it strike you this is all coming out of russia, out of the kremlin, and the attempt is to delegitimize the ukrainian election? >> there is certainly an attempt to delegitimize the ukrainian election, particularly at a moment when the russians don't have a chance of having their candidate win, running too low in the polls. on the one hand you have democracy working pretty well in ukraine right now because nobody knows who's going to get to the second round, let alone who is going to win.