against the spirit of what it's meant to be in government. you're supposed to go in government to serve. you're supposed to divest yourself of everything else, of all stocks and shares, any assets, you go and you don't expect to make much money for a while and serve. you're not supposed to hang on to most of your assets and cocoon yourself with our own pr people, you know, lawyer who's got his own pr person, chief of staff. i mean, it's one rule for them and, you know, and one rule for everyone else. it's -- it's so unamerican. and it's so wrong. >> where does this end, do you think? >> interesting. so i sort of say in the book as i, in the epilog, we're at a crossroads. and it's going to go one of two ways. either now that congress has subpoena power and i think, you know, mueller has sent some of