is this a new low for political discourse? is it just politics as usual? is this escalating feud gone too far? >> well, i think it's -- we're not at the nader. i don't ever want to say it can't get any worse with president trump, because next week it always gets worse with president trump. i remember a time when we were talking about barack obama's decorum in the white house and that was because he liked dijon mustard and wore a tan suit. the disrespect that donald trump shows for the presidency is not anything new -- >> but, i mean, nancy pelosi is -- i mean, she's playing into this, as well, saying the president needs an intervention. >> i think that what nancy pelosi is going off of is what many people say is that the president behaves in a manner in which draws some concern -- >> oh, come on, bakari! >> i'm not -- come on bakari what? i mean, you have someone -- >> come on, bakari, you can call her out. you can say -- be brave, bakari. be brave and say she shouldn't