jared kushner or his pr people. >> he keeps repeating that he wasn't involved, which has nothing to do with whether birtherism is racist or not. did that just add to how awkward the interview is? >> to go on television and call his father-in-law or his boss a racist is not a realistic expectation. i'm sure he's thinking what the rest of us are thinking, though, and of course it was wrong. look, birtherism uzthis crazy conspiracy theory that was hashed after barack obama became president and infected all these people and went on and on. and it was terrible and wrong, and donald trump was wrong for swimming around in what was a pretty scummy pond. now, in the campaign in december 2016 he did recant on that and admit barack obama was an american citizen, and that was good. but it was a terrible time. it was a terrible time for the republican party, and i think