and calling it opposition research. so those are some of the things that the president did not refer to, but he's trying to just zero in there on that little bit of information where he said, yes, i would call the fbi and i would also take the information. back to you. >> as you say there, he contradicted himself because yesterday he said he wouldn't call the fbi, now he says he would call the fbi. i suppose folks at home have to figure out what they believe. joe surgeons, thanks very much. jim, it's a new day, it's a new day and a new explanation, i suppose on that. >> yeah. >> wow. all right. so joining us to discuss, former presidential adviser to four presidents, david gergen, and former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst jennifer rodgers. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> david gergen, you know, i don't -- the president is saying i don't care what don mcgahn said, you know, i hired him, but i don't care what he said, and, by the way, he was only saying it to make himself look good. as jim points out, this was