under oath and at risk of jail time if he lied. >> and 30 hours. 30 hours he spent with the investigators under oath. so once again, the president has sort of cavalierly dismissing things that are inconvenient for him, even though the weight of the evidence would point out -- or certainly come down on the side of don mcgahn. don mcgahn remembers, and don mcgahn remembers of course is consistent with the kind of memories that others have had in this, going back to comey, that are inconvenient for the president, but he just pushes them aside, hopes he gets away with it and frankly he often does. >> jennifer rodgers, the president had an opportunity to provide answers under oath to the special counsel on instances of possible obstruction of justice and he didn't answer those questions and when george stephanopoulos pressed him on that, the president got