that has not gone democratic in the presidential level since 1976. >> republicans were telling me last night and what i'm going to get a spokesperson from the trump campaign, if you go back to every incumbent, they're always trailing their opponents at this time. >> so take a look at this. this is basically looking at all the incumbents that were running since 1980 plus 2016 with donald trump. the polling at this point, they are correct has not necessarily been predictive. look at the differences between the polling, two junes before the election, and the popular vote result. the average difference, well, i'm crossing this out here, but it's 16 points. >> that's huge. >> that's a huge difference of what's going on. >> wait a minute, i don't quite get it. i want to know where he is in terms of his approval ratings versus other presidents. >> this is another thing that needs to be kept in mind. though we see that big difference in the polls, this is another way of looking at it.