more as undermining barack obama, that joe biden's -- the most important thing about joe biden is his standing with black voters. and when he talks again and again as though he could work with segregationist and mitch mcconnell, and work with even the modern republican party, what he is saying is -- or he is raising a question about why barack obama couldn't. and i don't think he wants to be going arthro. >> april, here is my question about some of this, right? i mean it doesn't come in a vacuum. i mean there are by the way members of the black caucus defending biden's record on race recommendation pngs many exact sheila jackson lee among them. but there are many voters of different color who have concerns about biden because of his 1994 crime bill stance but also because of comments he made, which is why it's hard to put this in a vacuum, comments like these. >> in dwir, the largest growth